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October 12, 2006

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Arizona Expositor

Great ideas, but I wonder if it will take 500 years to get many of these implemented?

Equality

Good point, AE. Some have a better chance than others. For example, I think it conceivable that the church could relax its WoW rule for nonmember BYU faculty. And I think if enough people knew about and put pressure on the church, it would consider selling the hunting preserve. As for the media ventures, I'm not holding my breath.

Abner Doon

Great points, Equality. I'm really enjoying them. I'm curious, where did you hear that it is grounds for dismissal if a BYU student or professor misses miss more than 3 church meetings in a semester? Is that somewhere in unwritten order of things? I'm pretty sure it's nowhere to be found in the honor code. Isn't it pretty much just up to the individual bishop whether you get the yearly endorsement or not?

Lunar Quaker

That policy was in place in my stake (BYU 15th Stake) when I was at BYU from 1999 to 2002. Attending church with your parents in your home ward didn't count, either. If we wanted the ecclesiastical endorsement, we had to attend church at BYU. Nice, eh?

rebecca

I just graduated from BYU, and was told that the rule was something like 80% or 85% FULL attendance (ALL meetings) to qualify for the endorsement. I'm not sure I ever bothered to look it up, but I do know most bishops are down your throat if you start not showing up.

And the opposite sex thing? Yeah, that applies to RELATIVES. I technically wasn't allowed to have my BROTHER in my bedroom. And someone I knew had a friend (I know - not the most reliable intel ever) who was put on probation when her roommate turned her in for letting her 3-year-old nephew nap in her bedroom.

About the hunting grounds - where did it say they were hunting exotic animals? I think I missed that part... But if so, I think that's even worse than hunting the regular stuff.

John Hamer

I don't really agree with Theses 17 and 18. City planning has always been a central value of the movement. New Urbanism contains important values and the LDS church should do everything in its power to promote it; it should also act to reverse its past policies which have promoted urban sprawl and suburbification. It's likewise true that the LDS church has an important stake in the success of Salt Lake City as an urban center.

However, I agree that for the Salt Lake City to thrive as an urban center, the LDS church will have to promote the trends, but then divest itself of holdings. For example, all successful city cores need entertainment districts that include bars and nightclubs that might be problematic for the LDS church to effectively operate.

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