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October 19, 2009

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Figaro

Nicely done. I especially enjoyed section I8, in regards to the path out of the Church going "through the BoM." Truly, the "gospel" described in that book is not the one practice in the CJCLDS. I have come to realize that what I came to love in the BoM is actually what it takes from the New Testament--the focus on Christ and Christian living. It might serve as a useful gateway from Mainstream Christianity to Mormonism, but the BoM is not the keystone of the religion, by any means.

GDTeacher

Thanks for hosting this. I hope this is useful for some people who follow your blog

D.T.S.

"...a barrier in the path of one who wishes not to believe in this work."

This fragment of text was difficult for me to digest. It seems Mr. Holland is assuming that at least some people who become disaffected are doing so because they want to - or they "wish not to believe."

From my own personal experience, I never wanted to "wish not to believe." I simply discovered the numerous and undeniable truths which clearly indicate the fraudulent nature of the church, thus, to be honest with myself, I "could not believe" - it wasn't something I whimsically decided to wish for - I wasn't looking for a reason to leave the church.

I began my search for truth by merely wanting to settle several doubts I held on to for years. What I found left me no choice. I honestly had no idea I would discover what I did, that this information was undeniable, and how it would change my life so dramatically.

When I gathered all the evidence and carefully considered the factual events which occurred and continue to take place, I had no doubt the church has been and continues to be deceitful. The choice of searching for truth shattered my testimony. The result was to either live a hypocritical life which involved mingling with the saints, pretending to be "of the fold," or I could leave the church. I did not "wish" to leave. Realizing the truth and then deciding to live a life without hypocrisy were the factors which pushed me out of the church. This was not a wishful endeavor.

Hank Rearden

"I did not sail with the brother of Jared in crossing an ocean..."

Neither did anyone, else, Mr. Holland. I wasn't with those they left behind at the ancient architectural wonder of the Tower of Babel, nor have I been threatened by Voldemort, had a meaningfully amicable relationship with an invisible rabbit, nor known the love of Josie, lead singer of the Pussycats, despite wanting desperately for the lattermost to be true when I was 10.

I'm just sayin'.

Ray Anderson

Nice analysis. Very meticulous. I appreciate all the time you must have put into it (logical fallicy here? It's lengthy therefore it must have taken a lot of time).

Anyway, I agree with your positions but I must ask for a point of clarification. Who are all these people that are disheartened by Holland's talk? Am I to assume you are personally aware of them, or of an organized group of "in-between" Mormons that have articulated as much? It would seem to me that those who were truly conflicted must of necessity be a small, probably quiet group of believers. Yes, I've seen a few comments on proLDS blogs that comment on the surprising tone of the sermon, but the feedback is usually overwhelmingly positive. No doubt mixed feelings are had by at least a few. I'm just wondering if you're making a leap here to suggest that there is a significant population of these members.

You are talking active members, right??? Certainly non-believers, former or lingering Mormon's included, aren't "disappointed" by his talk. It's par for the course. The true believers, as you said already, are all pumped up about it. Who and where, then, are all these people in the middle? Just an honest question here.

Chino Blanco

If you've yet to join the conversation re X-Mormon of the Year over at Main Street Plaza, this here is your official invite! ( And all apologies for this spamalicious OT comment ! )

http://latterdaymainstreet.com/?p=1414

Mister IT

Actually I would rather archive this more recent article in the Concerned Christians documentation archives if I may.

Please advise.

Thank you.

Stephanie Orgill

While I find you are clever with your words and took a lot of time to write out your thoughts, I found that I disagree with you on just about everything you said.

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