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August 21, 2007


John C.

For the record, I consider myself a conservative Mormon.

John Hamer

Wow --- thanks for giving us a second chance and for writing all of this up, Equality! I agree with you that I wish we could have gotten more panelists who have actually seen Big Love. That show will be around for a while, I'm sure, and we can probably do a full episode about it some time in the future. Anne Wilde, who is a spokesperson for fundamentalist Mormonism, avidly watches the show --- we had a fun conversation about it when we had lunch a week and a half ago. She'd probably be willing to come on as a guest panelist. It would also be nice if we had a conservative Mormon who had seen the show despite being a conservative Mormon to join in too. Here in Ann Arbor yesterday we had a big Big Love night, where my friends and I caught up on the episodes I'd missed my trip to Independence and SLC these last 3 weeks. Wow! Exciting episodes. Love the show.


I wonder if you aren't assuming too much about the panelists. You say that Rosalynde and my discussion would have benefited from "having a disaffected Mormon join in." Having been raised Mormon to become an atheist for 15 years and a disaffected Mormon (with active Mormon parents, siblings, and in-laws) during that time, I'm now something of a recovering non-believer, and I think I still have a pretty good handle on my former point of view. I do think that I get the point of the article, I just disagree with it. From my point of view, the notion of uniqueness is nonsense, and I agree with the Fight Club mantra: "You are not a unique snowflake." I find the common complaint that everybody's experiences need to be respected as individual to simply be a tool for dividing people and expunging any feelings of brotherhood that aren't based on a common enemy. The scope of variability among people and their environments is very narrow compared with the variability of the universe at large -- or even the variability of life and livable environments on this planet. The truth of the matter is that we all deal with alienation and separation, because it's part of the human condition. When it doesn't occur naturally, we invent it (hence feminism...).

But enough splitting hairs. I really appreciate your thoughtful comments and your thorough analysis of the episodes. Thanks for the positive review.

I agree that John Hamer is one of our strongest panelists.


Thanks for the comments, guys, and thanks again for the great podcasts. John C., I hope I didnt offend by not pegging you as a conservative particpant. John H., I think having Anne Wilde on to talk about Big Love would be great. DKL, I didn't know your history. Thanks for letting me know that. When John said that you were the LDSSelect guy, I must have confused you with the person who de-listed Mormon Stories from the Mormon blog aggregator last year when he linked to a DAMU message board that was blowing up (actually, a year ago today, if memory serves). I guess that was a different aggregator site. Anyway, that probably colored the way I was hearing your discussion with Rosalynde. I agreed with much of what you two said about the article (which I should have made clear in my OP), but just thought there was a lack of sympathy for the personal insult he received at the hands of the orthodox community when his picture was edited out of the group photo. It was sort of like, well, he stepped out of the group conformity box so he deserved what he got. I do appreciate the need to balance community norms against individual preferencs but at some point enforcing the community standards crosses the line from protecting the group's identity to perfroming an act of moral violence against the indidvidual. I think the orthodox group crossed the line in that instance. That said, I enjoyed the discussion as it provided much food for thought, and I hope people will listen to it.


Thanks for drawing my attention to the Mormon Matters Podcasts, I didn't realize what was out there. Your comment that

"So, it should come as no surprise that the 1886 revelation would get traction, or that the Manifesto would be met with suspicion and disbelief."

. . . brings to mind the great story of when the Manifesto was first read in the tabernacle: silence - and then a voice from the back asking (I think it was Orson Whitney reading the manifesto) something along the lines of "could you say that again?" and so it was read a second time. I can't imagine anything similar being announced today.


Equality, thanks for the clarification.

Just to confirm, LDSelect is the aggregator that lists John Dehlin's web sites and posts -- all of them, with no censorship. In fact, I created LDSelect largely in reaction to what I see as the intermittently heavy-handed policies at the other aggregator. Since LDSelect allow users to select for themselves whether to show John's Content, I leave that choice up to them. (For the record: on my customized LDSelect view of the bloggernacle on LDSelect, all of John's blogs are all visible.)

Square Peg

I'm an avid Mormon Matters listener, and I agree with Equality that it does in fact rock. Great topics. Excellent panelists. And plenty of good, beefy discussion that seems to accomplish very difficult task of appealing to people from all over the Mormon spectrum.

At least I think it does... Does anyone have a sense for how many relatively conservative, orthodox Mormons listen to Mormon Matters and what they think of it (other than John C. of course)?

Anyway, thanks to the panelists who have chimed in here for a job well done.

Sister Mary Lisa

Equality, you forgot to mention that YOU would make a great addition to any of these podcasts. Tsk tsk. :)

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